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December 21, 2009

First Steps for Peace in Israel and Palestine Act

WHEREAS there are 501c3 organizations in the United States that collect tax deductible donations that are then passed onto organizations in Israel that then fund the illegal development of illegal settlements of Jewish Israelis in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

BE IT RESOLVED AND ENACTED; all organizations that contribute funds to Israeli organizations that participate or fund illegal seizures of land in the "Occupied Territories" will hereby have their non-profit status revoked, and all donations to said organizations will no longer be tax exempt.

This bill will come into effect as soon as it becomes law, and all donations made to said US organizations will no longer be tax exempt after this date.

Respectfully submitted,

Congressman Nescafe, New York
Submitted 6:53 PM by Nescafe
Evan Palin
I believe this would help the two religious groups. I am in full support of this
Posted By Evan Palin on 12/21/09 at 7:03 PM | Reply
Need some backup on how this would help
Congressman, can you please explain to me how this bill will help America develop peace in the Middle East?

And how will this bill help create peace to where the terrosists are not such as big of threat?
Posted By McCain-Palin on 12/21/09 at 10:48 PM | Reply
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It encourages peace because the Israeli governments illegal seizure of Palestinian land is A) the main stumbling block to getting the Palestinians to sit down and reccognize Israel and B) it completely under cuts Hamas, etc because they can no longer say they won't recognize Israel because of the settlements.

Peace between Israel and Palestine would remove THE cornerstone of Jihadism; Israel is oppressing the Palestinians and Israel is stealing control over East jerusalem, sight of the "Haram al-Sharif" (called the Temple Mount by Jewsih Israelis. I favor either international control of that site, or some tripartite administration by a body representing all three of the Abrhamic traditions that hold that hill so dear; Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

My thinking is that if you remove the excuses for hardline attitudes, you encourage the growth of moderation on all sides.

And right now, the Israeli government's allowing creation of more Jewish Israeli settlements on stolen Palestinian land is both a cudgel for the Isrtaelis and the radical Palestinians. If the US acts to curtail one of the main sources of funds for ther Jewish Israeli settler movement, we show the Arabs we are not going to allow Israelis to oppress them with tax exempt US dollars, and we show the Israeli government it's time for them to stop the apartheidism and do the right thing.
Posted By Nescafe on 12/21/09 at 11:46 PM | Reply
I don't understand still how?
I still don't understand how this helps eliminate the threat?
Posted By McCain-Palin on 12/22/09 at 12:26 AM | Reply
I said what there is to say in answer to your questions. Reread what I wrote.
Posted By William Burroughs on 12/22/09 at 2:51 PM | Reply
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I don't understand why Mr. McCain is still confused. One of the primary reasons for the anger of the Islamic world is America's unconditional and often blind support for Israel. If we show ourselves to be fair and willing to compromise, then we remove one of the main recruiting/campaigning slogans of the radical Islamics. Thus, this bill is a step in the right direction.
Posted By Nebula1 on 12/28/09 at 10:34 PM | Reply
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How is this land "stolen"?
Posted By Pileup on 12/22/09 at 4:11 PM | Reply
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UN Security Council Res 446: "the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity"

In the proposed law it does not use the word "stolen", that is my rhetorical inference from the UN Res stating the settlements have no legal validity. Which seems a polite way of saying stealing. Stolen being the past tense.
Posted By Roseanne Connor on 12/22/09 at 10:48 PM | Reply
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Also, there are a variety of ways to funnel money outside the US. Will they be able to find away around this law like the American supporters of the IRA and other terrorist organizations?
Posted By Pileup on 12/22/09 at 4:15 PM | Reply
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I have no doubt money could be loaded into fake fish containers and shipped across the Atlantic, through the Mediterranean to Tel Aviv, not unlike the supporters of the IRA did back in the 70s. But that money to abet illegal settlements would not be tax deductible. I realize we can not entirely stop the flow of money from the US to the Jewish Israeli settlers, but the bill seeks to element the tax deductibility of any such money.
Posted By Roseanne Connor on 12/22/09 at 10:53 PM | Reply
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I am seeing that the money would not be tax deductible, how much revenue would this bring in?

Most of the money is funneled as it is.

Now, the UN has spoken. Let them enforce it! That is the problem with the UN. They lack the will and authority to enforce it's own resolutions. For proof, look at Western Sahara and issue between India and Pakistan.

How dare they say that territory acquired in war cannot be kept. What would we do if they passed a resolution that "forced" us to return territory to the native-Americans?

I would also like to see the legislation condemn Jordan for the autrocities that their government inflicted on the Palestines.
Posted By Pileup on 12/29/09 at 8:58 AM | Reply
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Mericful heavens, where to begin.

First; the UN used to have more "authorityt", because before Reagan the US supported the UN.

The UN does not have it's own army - I would not be opposed to the UN having a rapid deployment force, if Senator Pileup would like to draft such a bill.

The main difficulty with the functionality of tghe UN is the Five Permenant Members of the Security Council having a veto. The Security Council permanent membership should be expanded, and vetoes abolished. The powers with a veto are the reason the UN backs down on things like the Western Sahara.

"How dare they say that territory acquired in war cannot be kept. What would we do if they passed a resolution that "forced" us to return territory to the native-Americans?"

Wow. First of all the US is a signatory to the UN conventions. Based on the agreements we signed, it is illegal under international agreement to annex territory occupied during war time.

I wouldn't be opposed to a return of some land to native americans. And the comparison between how the US treated the indians and how Israel treats Arabs is not a false comparison. Both Arabs inside Israel and those in Palestinian territories.

I would think the return of the lands conquered from Mexico being returned seems a more reasonable start to correcting the evils of manifest destiny.

But the main point remains. Israel is violating international laws the the US is a signatory to. And we are letting people in the US funnel tax deductible moneys to the illegal actions of the Israeli settler movement.

I didn't write this bill to generate taxes, I wrote the bill to right a wrong.
Posted By Roseanne Connor on 12/31/09 at 4:17 PM | Reply
I do not support
I do not support this bill. If we are going to make make peace with Isrel, why don't we just create a strong military (like Regan), and just go in there and make sure that we hunt down all of the terrosists who are in terrosist opporations. Against the US, or Isrel.
Posted By McCain-Palin on 12/30/09 at 1:11 PM | Reply
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Ok I've heard enough about Israel. Who are we and other countries to validate when a country can reclaim and yes I said reclaim their land. I know I will be called the ignorant christian for saying this but oh well. If you have read the Bible in the Old Testament to the New Testament it is stated that the jews will reclaim their land. The land was theirs in the first place so how is reclaiming your own land illegal? This bill is absurd and leftist. We should not stick our nose in negotiations with the pallestinians and Israelies. We have way more important things to worry about.
Posted By J Louisiana on 1/21/10 at 3:01 AM | Reply
I do not support this unjust, and unresearched bill.
First of all, what right does the United States have to demand that Israel cease settlement within its own territory.

Secondly, congress must treat all groups equally, and cannot single out charity organizations, and apply taxes to them, solely based on what they choose to support.

Third, international law does not prevent Jewish settlers from settling land in the west bank. Particularly, Article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine, which was adopted by the League of Nations says that, "The Administration of Palestine...shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage...close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands not required for public use."
Furthermore, under the Fourth Geneva Convention, no portion of the population can be forcibly relocated.

Fourth, agreements between Israel and the Palestinians does not prevent Israeli settlement in the West Bank. In fact, the issue regarding settlement, as agreed upon by Israel and the Palestinians, is first that the Palestinian Authority has no jurisdiction or control over settlements or Israelis, pending the conclusion of a permanent status agreement, and that the issue is to be discussed and resolved during permanent status negotiations, which would occur after a peace agreement, which is still forth coming (not to mention that the Palestinians are refusing to participate in peace negotiations).

Fifth, Israel has voluntarily agreed to cease settlement with a few exceptions. In the cases of projects that were already approved, and expansions of already existing settlements, based on natural growth, that are necessary for the well fair of the settlers.

Sixth, only after demands were publicly issued to Israel did peace negotiations with Israel cease, and this bill will only serve to further delay peace negotiations.

Seventh, and lastly, this will only serve to alienate our closest allies in the middle east, more than we are already. Israel is not only our closest allies, but are very important economically. Considering that every cent of foreign aid, from the United States, is required to be spent in the United States. Furthermore, the United States gets billions of dollars worth of research from Israel for free. Not to mention, many military supplies at very inexpensive prices. In addition to the large amounts of intelligence that Israel voluntarily shares with the United States.
Posted By Shane S on 2/19/10 at 3:16 PM | Reply
Israel Support
We are not doing enough to help Israel, They won land and that is theirs. Let's cut the crap and acknowledge them as a nation.
Posted By Denton on 9/30/12 at 3:25 AM | Reply
Be American
I do not believe we should look for peace between Israel and Palestine. I think we should take a more violent approach. The Palestinians have been bothering Israel for years, it's time we show our allies some courage and strength and attack Palestine. We need to allow Israel some "breathing room" to blossom as a successful nation.
Posted By Reaganomics on 2/7/13 at 7:10 PM | Reply

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