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January 15, 2010

Foreign Aid Recalibration/Haiti Relief Bill

Whereas the earthquake in Haiti is currently imperiling citizens of Haiti and causing a major humanitarian crisis,

Whereas the earthquake is likely to have long-term ramifications on the Haitian government and economy

Whereas foreign aid to Haiti was estimated at two hundred and fifty million dollars per year until the year 2000, when aid was terminated due to corruption concerns,

Whereas American foreign military aid has been a barrier to international reform for far too long,

The Congress of the United States:

1. APPROVES the use of one hundred million dollars to procure emergency supplies for immediate aid to Haiti,

1a. MANDATES that the money must be used to either procure emergency food, water, shelter, and medical supplies for use in Haiti or be donated to the appropriate United Nations organizations (esp. World Food Program and Humanitarian Affairs) for use in Haiti,

2. RECOMMENDS that the President immediately dispatch available American security forces to aid in the distribution of aid and the maintenance of order,

3. REGRETS the unfortunate lapse in foreign aid to Haiti during previous years,

4. PROMISES an additional two hundred and fifty million dollars per year in foreign aid to Haiti over the next five years for economic and educational development,

4a. AFFIRMS that foreign aid to Haiti will be jointly administered by American representatives and the government of Haiti,

4b. AFFIRMS that any findings of significant corruption in relation to the foreign aid funds (in excess of ten percent of aid) will result in revaluation of foreign aid by this Congress.

5. RECOMMENDS that private Americans contribute to charities aiming to aid Haiti and other similar nations,

6. CURTAILS American military aid to all nations by 10% to save an estimated 1.5 billion dollars annually.

6a. For the first five years after passage, 200 million dollars of the saved aid shall go to funding the long-term spending outlined in this bill.

6b. Of the remaining estimated funds, 50 percent shall go to paying down the national debt.

6bi. The remaining 50% shall form a "United States Developmental Aid Fund," which provides a source of development (economic) aid available for Congress to administer at a later date.



This bill, if passed by both the House and the Senate, shall go into effect immediately

Submitted,

Senator Nebula1 (D-WA)

Co-sponsored,

Senator Augustus Clinton
Governor Jason Elam

Submitted 4:16 PM by Nebula1
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The bill is very cursory. I realize that. If anybody has ideas on funding or more details (or would like to sponsor), please message me or post here.
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/15/10 at 4:17 PM | Reply
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i think this bill is a good idea and i will pledge my full support.
Posted By Reggie Rocka on 1/16/10 at 4:35 PM | Reply
I believe this is a good bill
This is a good bill to lend a hand to Haiti.

I am proud of my co-sponsor ship of this bill, and pledge my full 100% support to this bill as well.

Well done Senator Nubela1!
Posted By McCain-Palin on 1/17/10 at 3:55 PM | Reply
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Are you kidding me? 100,000,000 dollars! PLUS 250,000,000 ANUALLY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS!!!!!!! Trust me, I feel deep sorrow towards Haiti. But altogether that equals 1,350,000,000 dollars. And how much did we get from Haiti when Katrina happened? This is completly ridiculous! We are now just spending our money on other nations. Why dont we let our people starve and die from cancer just to help Haiti. Makes perfect sense. We my as well send 1.35 billion dollars to help create ice in the North Poll. You know its melting. And since we are wasting our money, we my as well. This is completly ridiculous. I am 1,350,000,000% against this bill.
Posted By John Berlac on 1/17/10 at 10:12 PM | Reply
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this is a good bill and you know why haiti didnt help us? Because they cant they have literally no money at all the xountry is in horrible condition so you better know your facts before posting about things you dont even know.
Posted By owned22 on 1/19/10 at 8:39 PM | Reply
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Are you kidding me? 100,000,000 dollars! PLUS 250,000,000 ANUALLY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS!!!!!!! Trust me, I feel deep sorrow towards Haiti. But altogether that equals 1,350,000,000 dollars. And how much did we get from Haiti when Katrina happened? This is completly ridiculous! We are now just spending our money on other nations. Why dont we let our people starve and die from cancer just to help Haiti. Makes perfect sense. We my as well send 1.35 billion dollars to help create ice in the North Poll. You know its melting. And since we are wasting our money, we my as well. This is completly ridiculous. I am 1,350,000,000% against this bill.
Posted By John Berlac on 1/17/10 at 10:20 PM | Reply
Sorry
My computer was acting up, so it posted twice. My apologies.

I also spelt North Pole wrong.
Posted By John Berlac on 1/17/10 at 10:46 PM | Reply
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"how much did we get from Haiti when Katrina happened"

Hmmm, do you have any idea abt Haiti? They don't have extra money to doante. although, I will bet you a nickel that Haitians of the Dsiaspora living in the US contributed to aid for New Orleans. And for that matter; the US barely contributed to assistance for new orleans.

The ,money Senator nebula is tlaking abt is pennies compared to the money squandered every year in propping up the dictatorship in Egypt, and the apartheid regime in israel.

And if you had any, I mean any, sense of the history of Haiti you would know how the US has repeatedly used force and economic coerescion to keep haiti poor. Think Papa Doc Duvalier, as a for instance. Or read abt the US taking over Haiti in the early 1900s to force tarrifs and custom dutiess out of Haiti. this action in itself set haiti back dozens of years, and led to the Duvalier regime.

You're aside abt ice for the North Pole is ridiculous. If you want to help the stability of the ice sheet in the Arctic, drastic cuts in carbon emissions would be more effective.
Posted By Roseanne Connor on 1/18/10 at 3:01 PM | Reply
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I would like your sources for this.

Also, I used the North Pole as a joke statement. Now who would really be dumb enough to spend 1.35 billion dollars on creating Ice? C'mon! Thats something Evan Palin would mean. I was saying that its a waste of our money. Section 3 and 4 are ridiculous as well as the whole bill.
Posted By John Berlac on 1/18/10 at 4:42 PM | Reply
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I can support, kinda.

Remove section 3 and 4.We should only give money to help them now. We can't trust their government.

How many troops will be sent?Will the RoE allow them to shootif necessary?

Other than that I support.
Posted By Jason Elam on 1/18/10 at 3:46 PM | Reply
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I don't have time or interest in filling out your shoddy edductiion, berlac. There is this thing called the internet, and wiki is not a bad place to start.

An additional point. The revit of the black Haitians against the French cost Napoleon 1 (not Napoleon 3 as that moron Pat Robertson said) so much money, that in order to continue to fund his wars in Europe he sold the US the "Louisiana Purchase" for 3 cents an acre. So, even just based on that, the US already has a a large debt of thanks we owe Haiti.

Here's a taste:

"Shortly afterwards, the United States, responding to complaints to President Woodrow Wilson from American banks to which Haiti was deeply in debt, occupied the country."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Haiti#Foreign_intervention

yes, you were making an exceptionally lame joke abt ice in the Arctic, and the only response I could figure on was to simply cut your stupidity off at the legs.

I would suggest that before you prattle on abt things you have no information regarding, you do some research. Again, we have this thing called the internet.
Posted By Roseanne Connor on 1/18/10 at 5:30 PM | Reply
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Are you kidding me? 100,000,000 dollars! PLUS 250,000,000 ANUALLY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS!!!!!!! Trust me, I feel deep sorrow towards Haiti. But altogether that equals 1,350,000,000 dollars. And how much did we get from Haiti when Katrina happened?

I hope your not trying to make a comparison between the United States and Haiti. We are the richest nation in the world Haiti is one of the poorest. The rich should never look down for help. Katrina was a failure of our government to come to the aid of its people, we could have done more but we were too slow. Haiti can't take care of itself there could be as many ans 200,000 dead, we as the richest and most powerful nation in the world should step up to help those when they are suffering from something they didn't bring on themselves. Heavy is the Head that wears the crown, if we do nothing we no longer deserve to be a leader among nations.
Posted By Reggie Rocka on 1/18/10 at 7:10 PM | Reply
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Why do they need money for 5 years?

How many troops would we send?What would their job be?

Would we rebuild Haiti?
Posted By Jason Elam on 1/18/10 at 9:22 PM | Reply
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The mission of the troops would be to hand out aid supplies with a secondary role in peacekeeping, contingent upon Haitian approval.

I believe that the RoE are determined by the Defense Department.

We would not rebuild Haiti. Clearly, that is the job of Haiti. However, Haiti was already the most destitute nation in the western hemisphere, and I believe that it is a nation where we can do some good through improving economic infra and educational infra.

To all those concerned about the price tag, I'd like to point that the US already has an extensive foreign aid program going. We're giving Israel 2 billion dollars per year for them to buy weapons. 1.3 billion in military aid for Egypt per year. I think we can spare 250 million for a nation in our back yard clearly more needy than either.


http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s1261.pdf
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/18/10 at 9:50 PM | Reply
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Sorry, wrong source.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/18/10 at 9:50 PM | Reply
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Let's get the DoD to change the RoE.

I can support 200 mil a year for 2 years or anything equalling more than 500 mil over the next 4 years.


And besides, I think we need to reduce our foreign aid anyway....
Posted By Jason Elam on 1/18/10 at 9:56 PM | Reply
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Let's get the DoD to change the RoE.

I can support 200 mil a year for 2 years or anything equalling less than 500 mil over the next 4 years.


And besides, I think we need to reduce our foreign aid anyway....
Posted By Jason Elam on 1/18/10 at 9:58 PM | Reply
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So you say that we owe Haiti for Napoleans mistake? I am in no way shape or form saying we should forget about Haiti. But 1.35 billion dollars is a little extreme. As Nebula stated, we have extra funds from a foreign aid program to do this. But isnt this aid going other places already? Where would we cut? I would support a 100 million dollar plan to help support them in aid. Sending soldiers and 250 million annually is a little extreme.
Posted By John Berlac on 1/18/10 at 10:23 PM | Reply
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Sending Americans soldiers would be a very short term engagement. Just in long enough to pass out food/water/medicine, then back home. Not sure why this would be "extreme."

As I posted in the bill, American foreign to Haiti was at about 250 million during the 1990s.

If you're worried about the cost, I would support cutting weapons aid to Israel and Egypt to leverage for reform. Interesting csm article on that.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0412/p07s01-wome.html
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/19/10 at 1:10 AM | Reply
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If the aid to them was 250 mil., then dont you think we have paid enough to them?
Posted By John Berlac on 1/19/10 at 3:57 PM | Reply
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Don't cut aid,just reduce it.

You still didn't answer it nebula;why do they need aid for 5 years?


If you change it to 100 mil now and 50 mil for 2 years i can support and sponsor.
Posted By Jason Elam on 1/19/10 at 10:14 AM | Reply
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Because while the damaged infrastructure can be repaired in 2 years, we won't be able to do anything else. And Haiti had plenty of issues long before the earthquake came along.

And "cutting" meant "reducing," not "completely getting rid of."
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/19/10 at 10:46 AM | Reply
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Yes, we only need to cut.Israel and egypt can buy their own weapons, but we can help.Also, give less to the un.


what else would we need to do after 2 years if we are not rebuilding?
Posted By Jason Elam on 1/19/10 at 11:08 AM | Reply
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As previously discussed, investing in the Haitian economy and in aiding the construction of a viable education system
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/19/10 at 11:10 AM | Reply
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but 250 mil for 5 years?
why not 50 to 100 mil per year for 5 years?that i could support?

i know that they need help and education and working infrastructure, but for that long?

How do we know that their government won't "steal" the money?
Posted By Jason Elam on 1/19/10 at 11:21 AM | Reply
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Did you even read the bill?

1. The price tag is based on pre-2000 levels of aid to Haiti.

2. The aid will be jointly administered by American observers and the Haitian government.

3. Any whiff of our money getting siphoned away, and Congress has the right to reevaulate the aid, meaning that we can lower it or even abolish it.
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/19/10 at 1:03 PM | Reply
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I understand, but i don't trust the haitian gov't.it's like trusting al Qaeda won't attack again.And, as I've said before, we need to reduce aid, at least for now.we have a deficit over 12 trillion.

reduce the aid to all countries and un by half.


This money was given to run america, not haiti.Even with the procedures, how can we stop the from wasting even a little?

It's their job to fix their country.We should help by giving aid and sending troops now, but once we're finished, aid should be cut to 50 to 80 mil a year.We have problems to fix here too (i.e. economy,terror,jobs...)
Posted By Jason Elam on 1/19/10 at 1:44 PM | Reply
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You seem to be operating under the impression that the foreign aid is a substantial part of the US budget. That impression is incorrect.

According to the Congressional Research Service, in 2008, US foreign aid comprised 1.2% of the federal budget.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL34243.pdf
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/19/10 at 2:27 PM | Reply
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i know it's a small part.but it could help our citizens more.

If you reduce to 50 to 100 mil per year for 5 years, i will support.
Posted By Jason Elam on 1/19/10 at 2:32 PM | Reply
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Why 50 or 100? I'm basing my numbers on pre-2000 levels of aid. Where are you getting your numbers from? And why do I get the feeling that you're just protesting for the sake of protesting?
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/21/10 at 2:31 PM | Reply
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I heartily second Mr. Nebula's suggestion abt funding this bill by reducing US aid to Israel and Egypt.
Posted By Roseanne Connor on 1/20/10 at 12:32 AM | Reply
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200000000 was way too much, we have to start showing nations that we are attempting to pay of our debt (or at least its interest,Which i think we are I havent looked at the dept clock for a while). Nations are loosing trust in the dollar for example india and china buying record amount of gold.

the more you give out the less good an individual dollar does, you only have to look at iran, there has been millions wasted.

And what about our own backyard, in alot of places(suburbs) you would thing we live in a third world.
Posted By Richard Howard on 1/20/10 at 7:09 PM | Reply
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I've been to third world countries in Asia and Africa. And I've lived in five-ish cities within the US. I can tell you, without the least hesitation or doubt, that literally no place in America (with the possible exception of Appalachia) even roughly approaches the level of poverty in third world nations. Even the poorest Americans have some form of healthcare for life-threatening situations. They can access fairly clean public restrooms. They can usually locate enough food for subsistence. They can find aid with numerous private charities. All four of the above statements are false for many of the poor in third world nations. There is simply no comparison.

And as we've discussed, foreign aid is less than 2 percent of the national budget. This bill would amount to probably about 1 percent of our foreign aid budget. You want to reduce the national debt? Cut military spending. Cut some welfare. Cut the waste. Cut pork-barreling. Those are the sources of our woes.
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/21/10 at 2:30 PM | Reply
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I agree with everything Richard Howard has just stated.
Posted By John Berlac on 1/20/10 at 8:43 PM | Reply
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Added a funding clause.
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/21/10 at 2:37 PM | Reply
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i complety object this bill 100 million doallers that i s tacking away from the budget even more we need to start thinking about our country and what is going on in it let the hati gouverment take care of this
Posted By hrhfbbd on 1/21/10 at 9:05 PM | Reply
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What are you talking about? The bill is now at least budget neutral and may even result in savings. Please reread the bill and the conversation.
Posted By Nebula1 on 1/21/10 at 9:53 PM | Reply
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The new funding clause has now gained my approval for this bill.
Posted By John Berlac on 1/21/10 at 10:00 PM | Reply
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Wait a minute. If we already are giving them 250 mil a year, why do we need to include that in this bill? Then we would be giving them 500 mil a year.
Posted By Jason Elam on 1/22/10 at 12:29 PM | Reply
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I urge congress to push this bill pass to the President for his signature

Governor-elect J.Tyson (D-CT)
Posted By Jason Tyson on 2/3/10 at 8:51 PM | Reply
But how much?
How much money??? We are in a dificit right now, but this is a good bill...
Posted By Falcien on 2/16/10 at 7:24 PM | Reply
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As the Lt. Governor of Alabama, I support the bill.
Posted By Governor of Alabama on 5/16/10 at 6:43 PM | Reply
Hati
As a senator running in the race i support this bill
Posted By christophermccleary on 8/3/10 at 1:41 AM | Reply

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