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February 8, 2010

Amnesty and Border Security Act

Whereas illegal immigration is a problem critical to the welfare of the United States,

Whereas the United States lacks funding for either the deportation of illegal immigrants or the long-term, humane maintenance of a strong border with Mexico,

Whereas amnesty for illegal immigrants would provide substantial amounts of funding for border security measures,

Whereas the United States is a nation built upon immigrants,


The Congress of the United States:

1. ESTABLISHES a window of five years during which all illegal immigrants will be allowed to apply for permanent residence (including, but not limited to, green cards and full citizenship) within the United States,

1a. All illegal aliens who decide to take advantage of this opportunity will be granted temporary amnesty until their applications are either accepted or rejected,

1b. Illegal aliens who are accepted as permanent residents shall be granted permanent amnesty for their crime of entering the United States illegally,

1c. Illegal aliens who are denied permanent residence shall not be granted permanent amnesty,

1d. The previous act of illegal immigration can not be used as a grounds for denying permanent residence,

1e. All illegal aliens who take advantage of this opportunity will undergo a process identical to the one available to legal immigrants including demonstration of the mastery of the English language and American history,

1ei. The green card residence eligibility shall be lowered to three years,

1f. In addition to regular naturalization fees, illegal immigrants shall be charged an additional one thousand dollars per person to be placed into the “Border Security Fund”

2. ESTABLISHES a new class of two-year visas (named “z visas”) that shall grant current illegal immigrants legal status within the United States but shall not grant permanent residence,

2a. Z visas shall be available to all illegal immigrants who can provide evidence of residency within the United States prior to the date of passage of this bill,

2b. Illegal immigrants previously convicted of felonies shall not be eligible for Z visas,

2c. Illegal immigrants seeking the Z visa will be required to pay a few of five hundred dollars per person, which will be placed into the “Border Security Fund,”

3. RAISES the current immigration quotas from all countries by ten percent to accommodate more legal immigrants,

3a. Two hundred million dollars will be provided to the US Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services to improve immigration efficiency and speed,

4. ESTLABISHES a “Border Security Fund” under the jurisdiction of the Department of Homeland Security to fund border security measures, including the construction of fencing, the hiring of additional border guards, and other means of minimizing illegal immigration,

4a. The Border Security Fund shall be funded by the fees paid by illegal immigrants applying to become legal residents,

5. RAISES the penalties applicable to employers who employ illegal immigrants to:

5a. $800 to $3000 per individual illegal immigrant hired for a first violation (exact amount to be determined in a court of law),

5b. $2000 to $8000 per individual illegal immigrant hired for subsequent violations (exact amount to be determined in a court of law),

5c. $2000 to $8000 per individual illegal immigrant and up to one year in prison for repeated violations (as determined by a court of law).


Sections one and four of this bill shall come into effect immediately after passage and expire in five years.

Sections two and three of this bill shall come into effect immediately after passage and expire in ten years.

Section five of this bill shall come into effect five years after passage and expire in ten years after passage.

Respectfully submitted,

Senator Nebula1 of Washington

Submitted 10:29 PM by Nebula1
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I like it but this part

1. ESTABLISHES a window of five years during which all illegal immigrants will be allowed to apply for permanent residence (including, but not limited to, green cards and full citizenship) within the United States,

Five years we could cut it down I think but you have my full support.
Posted By Sam Brownback on 2/8/10 at 10:53 PM | Reply
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The problem is that the bureaucracy takes forever to actually grant green cards and citizenship. As a naturalized citizen, I know fully well that getting the green card is a long, often multi-year process and citizenship is, obviously, even more annoying. The long time period is basically an artifact of our government being overfilled with too many prospective applicants.
Posted By Nebula1 on 2/8/10 at 11:01 PM | Reply
Wow...
Wow... I am actually surprised! I don't hate this bill as much as I thought I would! Good job!

But I have a few changes.

1. Nope, the application must be submitted within thirty days of the passing of this bill. Five years allows a lot of time for new illegals to come in; waaaay too much. All applications submitted after thirty days will be automatically denied. We will sort out the applications later, but the window doesn't need to be open to more.

1c. ...shall not be granted permanent amnesty *and shall be deported back to their home country*

The "Z-visa" process will be used for all applicants. After taking the test, they will not be granted permanent residency until after two years. If, within that two years, a crime is committed (any crime over a summary offense, including a misdemeanor) is grounds for immediate deportation. After the two-year period, the "Z-visa" will automatically turn into a grant of permanent citizenship.

Most everything else looks okay. Good job! I must say I am genuinely surprised to actually find a bill that is close to suitable. Still center-left at best, but close to suitable.
Posted By Tony Carli on 2/9/10 at 4:22 AM | Reply
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All illegal aliens who take advantage of this opportunity will undergo a process identical to the one available to legal immigrants including demonstration of the mastery of the English language and American history,

i am fine with having to master English, even though the united states has no official language. but learning U.S. history part seems excessive most Americans don't know anything about U.S. history.
Posted By Reggie Rocka on 2/9/10 at 11:57 AM | Reply
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Legal immigrants must learn US History when they take the test to become a citizen.

Realize that what we are doing is basically just giving them all the test of citizenship. It needs to be the same test that everyone else has to pass.

We must have clauses about deportation, not just "They will not be granted permanent residence".
Posted By Tony Carli on 2/9/10 at 1:54 PM | Reply
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How's two months for submission? The message needs time to spread through the latino communities. The point of this bill is to get as many illegal immigrants in as possible.

I'm not too sure about deportation since that would definitely scare away a lot of possible applicants. Any other ideas on this point?

And the purpose of the Z-visas is to give illegal aliens legal status as well as job-finding opportunities. It would be really strange for them to automatically become citizenship grants since there would essentially be no requirements other than no felonies and proof of residence.
Posted By Nebula1 on 2/9/10 at 2:21 PM | Reply
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I don't believe two months is nearly enough. Six at a minimum. Not only does word have to get out in the Latino community, but the Chinese and other communities as well. Plus there needs to be time to convince people this is real, and time for people to get the money together, plus whatever documents will be needed.

If the time line is compressed to far people will not have time to get the funds, and will still have millions of undocumenteds that will have to live illegally.

I would also like to see some section that would apply to those here as slaves/forced laborers. Those people will not have the money and they will need to be liberated and then given time to decide if they want to stay or not; and then get the funds together, etc.
Posted By Myrtle Albigensian on 2/9/10 at 3:30 PM | Reply
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I really like this bill. We should add a couple of clauses reforming the legal applicant process, the purpose would be to cut through the needless red tape and make the entire process more efficient.
Posted By John77 on 2/9/10 at 7:03 PM | Reply
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that is a great suggestion it can take up to 10 years to even get a decision on a case, not to mention another couple of years to get a visa
Posted By Reggie Rocka on 2/9/10 at 7:23 PM | Reply
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This is a great idea. This may also lead to the decrease in illegal immigration as well.
Posted By John Berlac on 2/9/10 at 11:23 PM | Reply
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I think that in section 1 reduce to 1 year, and in section 1f raise the fee to $2000. We would really need to charge a bit of money to help pay for the border security fund. Other than that I like. Good job Nebula!
Posted By Jason Elam on 2/10/10 at 9:08 AM | Reply
Like it
I like this bill.
Posted By McCain-Palin on 2/10/10 at 2:14 PM | Reply
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"Realize that what we are doing is basically just giving them all the test of citizenship. It needs to be the same test that everyone else has to pass."

By everyone, do you mean immigrants or all Americans. Because it's pretty well documented that the vast majority of U.S citizens cannot pass the citizenship test.
Posted By John77 on 2/10/10 at 6:54 PM | Reply
Pileup and others
This is a really well-thought out compromise. It goes to show the President that when we really work to achieve a great goal, we can. No need to circumvent already established protocol.

I will pledge my full support for this bill if there is a provision for crime or law-breaking. If within the five-year window, a potential applicant breaks the law, they risk losing the opportunity to become a citizen or something.

Furthermore, I would be ok with illegal immigrants holding down a job (work visa), and having the employer know about that (we can make it illegal for an employer to use the illegal immigrant status factor into an employment opportunity.

As for welfare, I'm a bit hesitant. But if they pay taxes, they should receive welfare.

Some argue that allowing them the opportunity to work here is hindering Americans from finding work. My response: Bull. If you want a good job, work for it. Competition is the essence of capitalism. If you don't like Capitalism, tough.

We can create a separate think tank (or a kind of CBO) that will estimate how much money welfare expenses will cost to cover illegals wanting to become citizens. (That's actually why I'm hesitant about giving welfare to illegal immigrants; if anyone has a compromise on this issue, I'd be happy)
Posted By Micheal D. Huckabee on 2/12/10 at 5:23 PM | Reply
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How will this fall into the scheme of things? We have high unemployment, the economy is in the tank, and the President has EO'd a withdrawal from Afghanistan (which will increase unemployment).

Despite all of this, it seems as if our primary goal is to illegal aliens and not to the problems that American citizens are now facing.

Is that the way government is supposed to work? Are we supposed to ignore the concerns of American citizens and give priority to the people who are here illegally?






Posted By Pileup on 2/10/10 at 8:31 PM | Reply
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I assume you are suggesting that Immigrants take jobs from Americans.

Look at this: http://www.newsweek.com/id/212147

It also shows the same things at these sites as well:

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=7bef92994f1dfc9bf79adee51557b477

http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/capital-commerce/2009/06/30/more-immigrants-more-jobs

http://www.felixsalmon.com/000821.html

The last one may not be a valid source, but the idea is still their.
Posted By John Berlac on 2/11/10 at 6:17 PM | Reply
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1. ESTABLISHES a window of five years during which all illegal immigrants will be allowed to apply for permanent residence (including, but not limited to, green cards and full citizenship) within the United States,

Five years we could cut it down then you have my full support
Posted By Lawrence Robertson on 2/11/10 at 12:03 PM | Reply
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That's actually not what he is suggesting Berlac.

Pileup, regardless of the priority of this bill in your mind. Would you agree that it is an area that needs to be reformed?

Because this bill is already written, and it doesn't seem like the majority leaders/whips are getting flooded with bills to fix the economy or unemployment.

Might as well vote on it. No need to needlessly delay to make room for nonexistent bills.
Posted By John77 on 2/11/10 at 7:12 PM | Reply
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I do not believe there needs to be reform especially right now.

We should be deporting illegals to create jobs for American citizens who need them.

AND....do not say that it cannot be done. It can and has been done before:

President Hoover deported illegal aliens to create jobs for AMERICAN CITIZENS who needed them during the Great Depression. FDR continued this policy until the later part of the 1930's.

President Truman did this after WW2 to open up jobs for returning veterans.

President Eisenhower did this to open up jobs for veterans returning from Korea.

If we can do it 60, 70, 80 years ago, we can certainly do it now.

ALSO, the bill does not mention costs. It will cost money. Many will go right on welfare, medicaid, and other governmental programs. We have not appropriated for that.
Posted By Pileup on 2/11/10 at 11:26 PM | Reply
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Questions:

1. Where is the $200m going to come from? The money in the budget has already been earmarked for programs or spent. The President does not have the power to "play" with the budget and move around funds without the consent of Congress.

2. The way Mexician system is set up, a felon can buy a new ID for $50. How are we going to address that?

3. Any bill should include language that states they have a job sufficient to support themselves and their family. Our government programs are not set up to allow for a huge influx of new enrollments that have not paid into the system.

Posted By Pileup on 2/13/10 at 10:00 AM | Reply
Love it
I totally agree with you. We should make America a more open place as it is the land of oppurtunity.
Posted By Chase Polak on 2/13/10 at 1:24 PM | Reply
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I have to agree with Pileup were is this money going to come from. I think that we should make it easier for people to Legally immigrant. But punish people who come here illegally.
Posted By indydude454 on 2/16/10 at 6:09 PM | Reply
News Flash
QUESTIONS...is any other country doing that for Americans? Do you leave your doors open at nite...just in case a bunch of strangers wanna borrow stuff?
Posted By D. L. Brunner on 3/27/10 at 8:51 AM | Reply
Omar Garcia
I really like this bill. It provide good oportunities for those hard working immigrants and their children
Posted By Omar Garcia on 5/25/10 at 10:29 PM | Reply
Work-related relief
I think that it might be prudent to include some reduction in naturalization fees for those immigrants who can provide <i><b>evidence<b><i> (notarized letter from the employer) that they are currently employed. While I don't think that people should have a free ride into becoming a citizen, those who are contributing to the economy through their employment should be provided more opportunities. Perhaps there should also be a chart organizing how much of a reduction people can have based on their income or type of employment. For example, those who work in a vital sector (government employees, energy companies, etc) would receive a higher reduction. Those who work for McDonald's (pardon the reference to an actual company), would receive less of a reduction due to the non-critical nature of their employment.
I think that this might also encourage growth within companies because it would open up a whole new group of people who are available for hire, who are willing to work for less than their current selection of employees.
Posted By armedpiano on 6/4/10 at 3:46 PM | Reply
Nay
This is an impractical and racist approach to immigration. Undocumented immigrants should be treated better than this just as our ancestors in this country once were.

This is not the way to go.
Posted By Nerdymouse on 11/9/12 at 12:26 AM | Reply

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